"He is a man worthy of being one of the two arm of the King of Pirates." Well said Robin but I am sure Sanji haters will start to riot at this statement

Bink's sake, how nolstalgic, and Robin new moves sure looks good. Nice that finally Robin have a spotlight in a fight

The new form of Robin was so goddamn hot...
The statement with Sanji was so damn right
Well said Robin

Can't wait for next week where we get to see, Demonio Fleur Robin

Let's confess when we first saw Robin. we all hated her for being Crocodile's right hand.
But when I got to know about her life and by the flew of time I became more fun of her specially when she praised Sanji. man that was cool😎

I actually didn't hate her, she was a cool character and didn't seem like a villain like Crocodile. She was quite amused by the Straw Hats or rather Luffy.

yes she gave more of a smart villian vibe that actual villian vibe

Even more so when she didnt explain what sanji did everyother character in anime would’ve

Lol, what's this "we" garbage?
When i first saw Robin I assumed she was just hanging around crocodile because she had nothing better to do.

I was surprised but happy when she showed up on their both.

I refuse.

Robin has always been mid.

Boring asf

Doesn't mesh well with the other silly idiots

She herself is not funny or that interesting aside from being able to read Ponegliffs.

Her DF is both boring and bullshit

She sounds like an old lady
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Jinbei is 10x better a Robin type character than Robin.

Jinbei is,
-Not boring
-Has interesting attacks and techniques
-Is the serious one but still is able to mesh well into the silly antics of the the other Strawhats and provide his own actually funny moments
-Sounds like an old man, but a cool old man

i didnt hate neither crocodile nor robin, not only were they hot as shit they were also one of the coolest antagonists weve seen so far

Facts and also what better than our robin a bigger robin 😮‍💨

So basically you mean you like there is just more naked skin.

ik im not tripping when robin uses her powers that gta 5 wasted sound starts playing

Couldn't agree more. Robin's about to kick some ass

About time she got a serious fight.

Well, I do not think that people think Sanji kinda sold her out. I think it's more about priorities. Instead of beating an enemy he fools around just because of some stupid ideal, like a religionous fanatic. That's what makes him stupid in the end and what the criticism is about.

according to oda in sbs sanji simply "cant" even if he wanted to. oda stated that sanji wanted to beat kalifa and hated the fact that he let nami fiight her instead and this is where the development is sanji no longer feel bad when he let his friends "Do what he can't do" as he said to usopp

Well there is no "cant"... or does he have a serious mental illness that blocks his body? In mean, if we really talk about "cant" then it means if he had to chose to fight a woman or let a friend die... then he would let a friend die?
Well, that sounds pretty much like bs to me. I am not sure if Oda really have said something like this. He maybe did, but I doubt he meant it and did it more for being political. Otherwise it would just be dump.
And regardless what you make it, even if it really is a "cant"... it makes it dump nevertheless.

I mean, it's a bit stupid in the first place, cause it's quite difficult to explain how Sanji even values women if he follows any... I mean, it makes them totally replaceable. It's basically just fulfilling fetishes and his own desires. So even from that perspective you can validly argue.

The main problem is, the whole character is a mess and Oda just failed hard to give him a place for his character to grow out of this stupidy. This silly thing was ok at first. But for an adult audience it's just a bad character design. It's pretty similar on the lower end of the crew too. People don't want to see the loser part of the crew again and again doing silly stuff when just next to it you have some really nice action. This is actually where the anime has it's weakest spot: missing character development and properly aging of the minds. And for sure the antipathy against those rise more and more. I am not sure if people dislike Sanji, Franky or Usopp more. Actually you would have to add Nami, but she is only in for boobs and Chopper is tiny and thus his cuteness saves him a little to rank last, not that it ranks him that much higher...

But well, that's how it is.

SBS Vol 50
D: Here's my question: on p. 80 of Volume 42, Sanji says "I was raised to never kick a woman." Would that have been a lesson from Zeff the Chef? Would that mean Zeff is very soft on women, as well? Tell me. from Ariga-san

O: Oops, this one's from the same person as the last one. This is a good question though, so I'll answer it. When I drew Sanji vs Kalifa (Chapter 403), some people lauded Sanji's stance, and some people felt sorry for him. The truth is, I didn't really want to write those lines. Sanji doesn't have a "policy" of not kicking women; the truth is that he actually CAN'T kick them. He is a very proud man. I think he was really frustrated at that. think Nami recognized that, and chose to praise him for once. It's a scene that I hope will resonate with male readers, but everyone's free to take it as they wish. Also, Zeff is just a man among men.

it exactly as sanji said to usopp "every one has something he can or cannot do " " i'll do what you can't do and you do what i cannot do"
so what im saying is luffy invited sanji knowing that he had his conditions. sanji is part of the crew because he has a dream not to change his beliefs. if the crew ever were the reason sanji kicking a woman or use his hands then he'd better be off a solo rather than in a group.

That doesn't answer anything, as being a principle is no "cant". So basically it's a "dont want to" but not a "cant". Cause principle does not hinder you to do things but avoid you or demand you doing certain things. Otherwise the translation is off at either on place or Oda wasnt good with words here.

no it's a "Can't" oda clearly said that sanji doesn't have such a "policy" . proof of that sanji said "my arament haki (((won't))) work" against black maria as if he's not on control yet sanji still landed an attack against kalifa and big mom his body adjust the power the way he doesn't hurt a woman.. remember he is a fictional character not a real person and the creator of that character made him like there shouldn't be a logical explanation to it

If you name principle policy it does not really change anything of what we are talking about.

So basically you are saying it's ok that it is stupid because it fictional? Hat does not sound like a good reason. Why not agreeing on that its stupid then?

i don't see it as stupid .. because people like sanji actually exist in real life ... and there are people who can't even fight back for self defense maybe with training or such it'd be possible and maybe not sanji just happened to be one of these people u just don't accept other human differences some people are the complete opposite of sanji when it comes to women u know what i mean

I am not sure if you grasp the situation here correctly. The most important battle up until now, of life and death... and then simply fooling around? I really doubt this exist in real life and if it deserve to fall under natural selection. He clearly valued his principles more than the well being of his friends. I do not think this is good in any ways. If he could have beaten her so easily... just do it. It is not they have the opportunity to fool around like hell. And that is exactly that problem what makes the situation stupid. If I would have "friends" who would endanger me just because of fooling around like this, I would clearly sort this "friend" out.

I actually think he does not really treat women very well. I mean he is running after one after another, basically stating they are all replaceable. They may not be the intention, but that is what it is in the end. I don't think any woman want to be treated like that... which is also why he does not get any, reasonable.

As mentioned, these parts are missing the growth of seriousness we see in other parts. And this does not really fit together. This is why people grow antipathy for certain crew members cause their character fail to fit the flow.

And hell... use dots!

yup u cant accept the fact that he is not real and and the author is the one on control he created him without such a thing as policy or principle that what he said after all, also the fact that luffy been endangering the whole crew by fooling around so MANY times like w big mom, kaido, arlong, kuro, and honestly many more times is def okay with you... also what happened w black maria is not "fooling around" since it's against his well. u just don't like that specific character and that's up to you for sure. just remember that those character belongs to the author

Not really. I neither said that nor implied that. You framed me, but that's up to you not me.
Besides that your fooling argumentation basically would say he did fool around...
So your argument is, it's fictional and that's why you should not talk about something... ye right... with that argument, what you even commenting here? It's fiction, who cares? Next time you, do not try to take an argument that counters yourself in the first place, lol.
Maybe you don't accept a few things?
Btw I stated a few times that his character is a plot hole cause he did not develop the character properly according to the overall flow of the anime. But well, Oda had a couple of weak points or existing plot holes, Sanji is only one of them. His story telling is getting weaker and weaker, so are the movies. But well, it does not aim to be superb in the first place, so.

nope i showed examples of what fooling around means sanji never fooled around. also i only commented about that one wrong thing you mentioned about him having policy which was denied by the author in simpler words sanji "can't" rather than "doesn't want" to kick woman . other than that you are free to think it's a stupid take or illogical but the fact that it doesn't exist isn't up to you nor logic that's my only point of this whole argument. also it will be explained later that even sanji doesn't like it when it comes to himself against women i don't want to spoil any further

Sanji never fooled around? Heh?
However, I dont know why you dont get the point I am making here. "Cant" means there some kind of mental illness (like a trauma), a barrier that hinders him and he cannot overcome even if he wants to? That is "cant". Otherwise its a "dont want". And principles are not about being possible but about following a guide. So if you say its a principle then is not something without an alternative. And if you say there is a mental barrier that he cannot overcome and this is not something that people normally have... then its a mental illness. Its up for you to decide.

why am i deciding lmao i'm not the one saying because im not the author unless the author says he has a mental illness we cant assume it on our own but once he said sanji can't then it's a can't no matter what logical science is behind it the anime has so much more bullshit than sanji's problems with woman idk maybe it'd be explained later maybe it wouldn't either way its a cant.

It doesnt matter if the author says so directly or not, but this is what these words mean. I never said there are not other illogical things but we were talking about this and not another topic. So not sure how unrelated point validate this or not...

Exactly, the fact he never develops as a character is super annoying. Also he is as strong as Zoro almost by doing nothing it seems like.

He did changed from thinking every female need to be protected into able to trust Robin to be the one that protecting him. Not saying its a good character development or not, but he did have a character development.

Thats so underwhelming im gonna act like i didnt hear that, tbh your comment just made me realize his development was worse than i thought...

Sanji and Usopp bascially traded place for me, i used to hate Usopp and love Sanji but its the oppesite for me now.

Anyways its just my opnion, you can like Sanji if you want.

Well I would not say so in regard to his power. He feels weaker to me. But sure, Zoro always training (even more than Luffy) should be considerably stronger than him. However, Sanji also never fights that strong opponents, so he might look stronger than he is. I mean fighting the right opponents even Nami or Ussop can look a little strong.

But you are right, his development is pretty shallow. Especially after this whole Germa thing, he could have come out much better. But well, this whole loving every beautiful woman has ever been annyoing as hell. But mayhe he wants to collect STDs like others postage stamps. Who knows... xD

I thought those characters would develop out of the childish phase back when the anime has targeted also kids. Honestly I only consider Luffy, Zoro, Jimbei and Robin as proper characters. The others are way too silly for my taste and did not really grow personally. But that the issue if the anime plot ages but some characters not. They hardly fit in.

its actaully because sanji doesn't beat up women

It's because he does not beat strong women, especially those who are attacking him. That is stupid indeed. However, I just pointed out this unlikely to be a point of discussion.

You're cringe to think having good ideals makes you stupid.

So in the end you would have a woman kill you because you do not fight against her? Or you would let your friends be harmed by a woman due to that? I am not sure how is can be read as good. It is just a stupid principle thought to the extreme without proper reflection. Due to your comment I see that part is also not your virtue.

This situation isn't like that at all my brother period.
First, Sanji was never going to let himself get killed by Maria no matter the cost. He never gave up fighting at all, if Robin wasn't there he wouldn't have simply let them kill him or torture him, he was looking for the many different alternatives that doesn't require him dying or violating his principles.
Secondly, Sanji knows Robin is strong enough to deal with Maria. She's a devil fruit using pirate in the new world my guy, not just some defenseless woman he's putting in harm's way to live up to his ideals. That's literally Maria's argument to Robin in this same episode. Sanji's been with her for years and knows how strong she is to trust that she'd be able to take care of Maria without getting seriously harmed. Listen to Robin's response to Maria when she said that.

Even though I disagree, I do understand and respect your opinion on this tho. It's not wrong.

That's what you say, but he failed to run from her...
What does Robin have to do with that in the first place?
If Sanji did not intentionally play with her so Robin can deal with her... than there is no valid argument for his behaviour beside being stupid.

When he left Maria he had good vitality and a lot of energy to send Queen in his dino form flying to the ceiling like a helicopter. You can't even fathom the power generated from a kick to do something like that. He would've eventually gotten away in time, but that would've been time he didn't have. I do not see his attempts of escaping failing as being intentional.

You introduced Robin into the discussion when you said, "So in the end you would have a woman kill you because you do not fight against her? Or you would *let your friends be harmed by a woman due to that?* ". Easy to assume the friend is Robin because he called on Robin to fight Maria and she'll be the only one of his friends in harm's way from Maria.

Nope, the harm was referred to wasted time and therefore harming your friends.
So in the end he justed fooled around you want to say? Well, considering the importance...

Yeah, I agree, but not completely. Time was wasted but I genuinely believe he had no idea how to get away but eventually would've figured out how. To reduce the time it would've taken to figure a way out, he had to call on Robin.

Well, he could have just attacked her without hurting her too much an get away. As would any sane do who does not want to harm her.

Besides, one question... how does he think Robin do it? She will harm her... At that point it does not really make sense. Oh Robin, kill her for me please. (ok, no one really dies here, but still...). So you see any argument falls apart here besides it's kinda not making your hands dirty.

That I can agree on. It is not getting your hands dirty while putting Robin at the risk of getting hurt from our perspective. We can describe it that way. But the other points made to support the notion that the ideal isn't dumb still holds firm for one can say that Sanji genuinely believes that Robin could handle the fight in a breeze.

If he think Robin can handle it in a breeze he would be pretty stupid. Otherwise as he would be stronger, he would have easily fled from her. So it cant be thaat easy. Its just he does not want to do it and need some one else in his stead.
However, letting Robin do the job basically breaks his wannabe policy. I mean, normally he would come and say "you cant attack a lady"... but then its fine. Thats were all reason is about to fall apart. It does not matter how we bend it, the reasoning cannot work in either cases. So you either protect women at any cost... or not. But not "only against men" or "only the beautiful ones".
Well, in general the main reason is a plot whole which Oda failed to exit when he had a chance. Giving Sanja character growth back then would have solved the issue. The whole character is kinda ok in a childish environment. However, the anime clearly leaves this part and because more sinister and serious (not that its that much thought). Keeping those silly attitudes all along just breaks it. Other crew members have similar problems, but Sanji potentially the most... but Franky is obviously following closely lol. But the big difference is Franky is just annoying for show, not for reason.
Well we are talking about the anime, I assume things are not exactly the same in the manga, as I have heard his world building is a lot better there than the studio does the animation. So its that accurate to only blame him here, but he still kinda is in charge. There are lot of stupid things in here. Like running a the way up there from Luffy instead of just flying up... in ANY other situation he just flies in the sky as he want to, but now he talkes the long route knowing the weak ones fighting there and are likely about to die. Well, I know its just for the plot. And thats the point. Sanji doesnt have that much of a good reason, he does it for the plot. And I think that how it should be treated.

Well he did try to fly up through the hole in the ceiling but King topped him. that's why he went the long way.

As for the other thing, I no accept what you have stated. I won't abandon my beliefs that the not hitting women thing isn't a bad ideal as I am a pacifist. But I have now come to acknowledge that you are right there is a flaw in the decision he made and indeed a plot hole. The fact that he chose not to hit women but still put Robin's health in jeopardy.
It would make an argument to say that his ideal is only limited to not hitting women and says nothing about putting a woman in harms way; but that would be a stretch as I do not recall any case in time where Sanji specifically stated the exact terms of it. So it's safe to assume it extends to not hurting females which does indeed point out hypocrisy in his decision to call Robin lol.

You would beat a women if she is otherwise about to kill you. If not, well that's natural selection for you.
Also you simple forget we are talking about super power users,. There are no "weak" ones. I mean, what is the reason in the first place for this? In the end you just leave it due to the gender, so basically being sexistic, but no other reason. As said, the "weak" part does not exist anymore.

Natural selection? No need to beat the woman trying to kill you if you can escape death from her with minor injuries tho.
Our discussion was about Sanji's moral stance on not hitting women being "stupid" in your opinion and "good" in mine.
Not hitting anyone is GOOD. You really think to support not hitting a woman with that in mind is sexist? lol.

Its a fighting anime and you are talking about hitting anyone is bad... I am not sure whats wrong with you guys... lol. Maybe you are confusing the anime with real life? You cannot put your real life standards into a world with different rules. You cannot even do that across real world eras...
Well, as portrait in the scene Sanja is not able to escape. So I dont understand your argument here.
And yes, if women are as strong as men, then simply saying hitting women is worse is just sexistic - thats it. Otherwise give a proper explanation why hitting a woman is worse than man here. But as there is no weak gender this obviously is excluded from reasoning.

boi, you're putting real life standards in your statements too, read the stuff you've been replying to me in the past lol.
And don't act like there aren't any pacifists in One Piece! There are lol.

=_=) I never said "hitting women is worse" tho, sorry you misinterpreted what I said. I never once said the woman has to be stronger or weaker than Sanji for his ideals to be upheld. Even the emperor of the sea Big mom can take Maria's place in this situation and every single thing I said can still be applied. My point isn't grounded by gender, I clearly stated that it is rooted from not hitting "ANYONE" as a pacifist. If a powerful female character like Big mom has an ideal of not hitting men, I'd fully say that's a good ideal just like Sanji's. That notion that its sexist is a fallacy.
I feel like you're only typing to reply and argue and not even trying to listen to what I'm saying or understanding my view point.